[R-P] Spam detectado por Arnet - Asunto original: RE: Spam detectado por Arnet - Asunto original: "Can Musharraf Survive?"

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Jue Ago 2 15:04:54 MDT 2007


No me falló el teclazo debí escribir "apoliyo"
Un vago, punga él, que choreaba en los trenes, de culata o de sotana, 
sin Esparo, solito. Cuando a la noche tarde pasaba el "chochan" se hacía 
el dormido como si viniera de trabajar.

¿el Plino Apuleyo Mendoza tambien fue canero?


Outa


Víctor Morón escribió:
> Este mail es considerado SPAM. El mensaje original lo vas a encontrar
> adjunto a este mail. Abajo se encuentra un detalle de porque la
> herramienta antispam considero a este mail como correo basura.
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> Detalles del análisis:   (10.9 puntos, 5.0 requeridos)
>  1.0 EXCLAMACION_ES         BODY: IMPERATIVOS/EXCLAMACIONES EN MAYUSCULAS.
>  2.0 BIZ_TLD                URI: Contains an URL in the BIZ top-level domain
>  2.8 UNWANTED_LANGUAGE_BODY BODY: Message written in an undesired language
>  5.1 BAYES_99               BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 99 to 100%
>                             [score: 1.0000]
>  0.0 DRUGS_PAIN             Refers to a pain relief drug
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> Asunto:
> RE: [R-P] Spam detectado por Arnet - Asunto original: "Can Musharraf 
> Survive?"
> De:
> Víctor Morón <vicmoron en prodigy.net.mx>
> Fecha:
> Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:55:05 -0500
> A:
> "'Abulafia'" <abulafia en arnet.com.ar>
> 
> A:
> "'Abulafia'" <abulafia en arnet.com.ar>
> CC:
> "'Lucha de masas para recuperar la Argentina'" 
> <reconquista-popular en lists.econ.utah.edu>
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> 
> ¿Qué Apuleyo? ¿Plinio Apuleyo Mendoza?
> 
> Víctor Morón
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> -----Mensaje original-----
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> edu] En nombre de Abulafia
> Enviado el: jueves, 02 de agosto de 2007 9:25
> Para: Víctor Morón
> CC: Lucha de masas para recuperar la Argentina
> Asunto: Re: [R-P] Spam detectado por Arnet - Asunto original: "Can Musharraf
> Survive?"
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> CITANDO LA FUENTE,EL MATERIAL DE ESTA LISTA ES DE LIBRE REPRODUCCIÓN
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> 
> Ay! don Julio:
> 
> Estos políticos de oficio y tiranuelos de profesión, me hacen admirar 
> cada vez más a Esopo, Apuleyo, y a los nuestros, don Arturo o al negro 
> Fontanarrosa.
> 
> Leyendo boludeces.
> 
> 
> Outa
> 
> 
> Julio Fernández Baraibar escribió:
>> Este mail es considerado SPAM. El mensaje original lo vas a encontrar
>> adjunto a este mail. Abajo se encuentra un detalle de porque la
>> herramienta antispam considero a este mail como correo basura.
>>
>>
>> Detalles del anásis:   (10.9 puntos, 5.0 requeridos)
>>  1.0 EXCLAMACION_ES         BODY: IMPERATIVOS/EXCLAMACIONES EN MAYUSCULAS.
>>  2.0 BIZ_TLD                URI: Contains an URL in the BIZ top-level
> domain
>>  2.8 UNWANTED_LANGUAGE_BODY BODY: Message written in an undesired language
>>  5.1 BAYES_99               BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 99 to 100%
>>                             [score: 1.0000]
>>  0.0 DRUGS_PAIN             Refers to a pain relief drug
>>
>>
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>> Asunto:
>> [R-P] "Can Musharraf Survive?"
>> De:
>> Julio Fernández Baraibar <fernandezbaraibar en gmail.com>
>> Fecha:
>> Wed, 1 Aug 2007 16:53:07 -0300
>> A:
>> abulafia en arnet.com.ar
>>
>> A:
>> abulafia en arnet.com.ar
>> CC:
>> Lucha de masas para recuperar la Argentina 
>> <reconquista-popular en lists.econ.utah.edu>
>>
>>
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>>
>> CITANDO LA FUENTE,EL MATERIAL DE ESTA LISTA ES DE LIBRE REPRODUCCIÓN
>>
>>
>> Está en inglés y no lo voy a traducir. Su autor es Immanuel Wallerstein,
> un 
>> muy buen observador de la política internacional y una interesante cabeza
> en 
>> el páramo intelectual yanqui.
>> Básicamente sostiene que Musharraf, el presidente militar pakistaní, 
>> atraviesa un momento verdaderamente crucial. Los norteamericanos lo 
>> consideran blando con los "jihadistas", estos lo consideran un títere
> yanqui 
>> y la clase media urbana quiere la vuelta a un régimen civil.
>> El New York Times publica hoy una declaraciones del senador Barack Obama, 
>> precandidato a la presidencia por los demócratas, donde se pone el traje
> de 
>> halcón en relación a Afganistán y a Musharraf. Todo ello como respuesta a
> la 
>> dulce Hillary Clinton quien acuso de tener una política internacional 
>> "ingenua" a Obama, debido a unas declaraciones de éste donde afirmó que él
> 
>> se reuniría con los dirigentes de Irán, Cuba, Siria, Norcorea y Venezuela 
>> sin ningún tipo de precondiciones durante el primer año de su mandato.
>> La noticia es de mucha utilidad para aquellos que piensan que con los 
>> demócratas cambiará la política internacional yanqui.
>> Para quien lea inglés aquí está el artículo
>>
>> Julio Fernández Baraibar
>> fernandezbaraibar en yahoo.com.ar
>> fernandezbaraibar en gmail.com
>> Skype: julio.fernandez.baraibar
>> Visite mis blogs: http://fernandezbaraibar.blogspot.com
>> http://jfernandezbaraibar.blogspot.com
>>
>> emailStripper es un programa gratis para la limpieza de
>> los ">" y otros caracteres de sus emails y facilitar su lectura.
>> http://www.papercut.biz/emailStripper.htm
>>
>> Commentary No. 214, August 1, 2007
>>
>> "Can Musharraf Survive?"
>>
>>
>> Poor Pervez Musharraf! He is not very popular, and is under pressure from 
>> just
>> about everybody. Yet he labors on, seeking to maintain his equilibrium,
> and 
>> his
>> power, while sitting on top of a seething volcano. He has in fact done 
>> better
>> than one might have thought possible.
>>
>> To start the story at the beginning, we have to remember the origins of
> the
>> state of Pakistan. The principal nationalist movement in colonial India
> was 
>> the
>> Indian National Congress, led by Mahatma Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru. 
>> Mohammed
>> Ali Jinnah, a secular lawyer of Muslim origin, was an active member. But
> he
>> increasingly came to feel that Muslims as a group (one might say as an 
>> ethnic
>> group) were relegated to a second-class citizenship. He joined the Muslim
>> League, a movement seeking autonomy/independence for a "Muslim" region. In
>> 1934, Jinnah became its president, and in the final negotiations with the
>> British for the independence of India, he succeeded in obtaining an 
>> independent
>> and separate status for Pakistan.
>>
>> On August 14, 1947, when Pakistan became an independent state, it
> consisted 
>> of
>> several provinces in the northwest of colonial India and a Bengali
> province 
>> in
>> the northeast, quite distant from the western sector. On August 11 of that
>> year, Jinnah made an inaugural speech before the about-to-be legislative 
>> body
>> of Pakistan, calling for an "inclusive and pluralist democracy," which
> would
>> guarantee equal rights for all its citizens of whatever religion or ethnic
>> group. Not only was the Muslim League essentially a modernist secular
>> nationalist movement, but the armed forces that would be established drew 
>> its
>> personnel from the old British military forces in India, and its officer 
>> corps
>> was equally secular for the most part.
>>
>> As we know, independence for India and Pakistan resulted immediately in
>> terrible inter-group violence and, among other things, a struggle for the
>> control of Kashmir. The net outcome of that initial struggle was not only
> a 
>> de
>> facto (and to this day contested) partition of Kashmir but also a transfer
> 
>> of
>> populations, such that Pakistan became overwhelmingly Muslim. In 2007, its
>> population numbers 165 million, which makes Pakistan the sixth most
> populous
>> state in the world, and one whose birthrate is among the highest. This
>> population is today 97% Muslim, of which 20% are Shi'a.
>>
>> The political history of Pakistan has been tumultuous. Its relations with 
>> its
>> principal neighbor, India, have always been tenuous and conflictual. The
>> eastern part of Pakistan seceded in 1971, with Indian encouragement, to 
>> become
>> the state of Bangladesh. The first military coup occurred in 1958.
> Civilian
>> rule, under a largely secular, urban party led by Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, was
>> restored in 1972, only to be overthrown again five years later. The coup
> was
>> led by Gen. Zia ul-Haq who was a quite pious Muslim and installed sharia
> as 
>> the
>> law of the land. He also had the country renamed the Islamic Republic of
>> Pakistan. Civilian rule was restored years later under the aegis of
> Bhutto's
>> daughter, Benazir Bhutto, who then ceded place to Nawaz Sharif. In 1999, 
>> Sharif
>> sought to arrest his chief of staff, one Gen. Pervez Musharraf, who 
>> succeeded
>> in having Sharif arrested instead and being himself placed at the head of 
>> the
>> government. He was proclaimed president in 2001, and elected to that post
> in
>> 2002.
>>
>> To make sense of this back and forth, we have to identify the principal
>> political actors inside Pakistan and its geopolitical alliances. To start 
>> with
>> the latter, Pakistan's biggest concern has always been India, and
> therefore
>> logically it sought the support of two states whose relations were
> reserved
>> towards India throughout the Cold War - the United States and China. These
> 
>> two
>> states considered Indian foreign policy too close to that of the Soviet 
>> Union.
>> The India-Pakistan military strains led both to refuse to sign the nuclear
>> non-proliferation treaty and to develop nuclear weapons, much to the
> chagrin 
>> of
>> the United States.
>>
>> Internally, the situation in 2007 is quite different from that in 1947.
>> Islamism as a political force has become extremely strong and permeates 
>> large
>> sectors of the armed forces. Islamists are unhappy about Pakistan's links 
>> with
>> the United States, especially during the last five years. The urban,
> secular
>> forces would like to force out Musharraf (as well as the armed forces)
> from
>> political power and have recently shown their strength in their successful
>> support of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court whom Musharraf had tried
> 
>> to
>> fire. The armed forces, while Islamist, do not really want to cede their 
>> role
>> to jihadist elements like al-Qaeda, and therefore attempt to play a bridge
> 
>> role
>> - appeasing but trying to contain the jihadist forces.
>>
>> When the United States was supporting jihadists in Afghanistan in the
> 1980s,
>> its strongest ally was Pakistan, and in particular the intelligence units
> of
>> the armed forces, the ISI. In the 1990s, the ISI helped the Taliban come
> to
>> power in Afghanistan. Hence, the ISI was quite unhappy when the United 
>> States
>> overthrew the Taliban and has not been very cooperative with regard to
>> Afghanistan, something about which Afghanistan's current president, Hamid
>> Karzai, complains to this day.
>>
>> It seems quite clear that, when Osama bin Laden launched the attack
> against 
>> the
>> United States on September 11, 2001, one of his major objectives, if not
> his
>> principal one, was to bring down the regimes in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
> 
>> Why
>> and how so? Bin Laden considered the regimes in both countries too
>> accommodating to the United States behind their ambiguous language on 
>> Islamism.
>> He expected the United States to put pressure on the Musharraf regime to 
>> engage
>> his homegrown Islamists totally. Bin Laden's theory was that, if it did
> so,
>> Musharraf's regime would fall.
>>
>> Musharraf has resisted this pressure (as has Saudi Arabia), agreeing with 
>> bin
>> Laden that it was politically suicidal to do what the United States wanted
> 
>> him
>> to do. On the other hand, he had to keep the United States relatively
> happy
>> lest Pakistan lose the crucial economic and military support of the United
>> States. So, every once in a while, he throws a bone to the United States,
> as 
>> in
>> the recent assault on the Red Mosque, a stronghold of Islamists. But he is
>> careful not to go further.
>>
>> And this contradiction is what brings us to where we are today. The 
>> jihadists
>> are well installed in the so-called northwest frontier areas (which have 
>> always
>> been de facto autonomous) and Musharraf does not dare to take real action
>> against them. The jihadists denounce Musharraf for being too pro-American.
> 
>> The
>> United States, on the other hand, considers him far too accommodating to
> the
>> jihadists. The United States keeps mumbling about direct action. But the 
>> United
>> States cannot really turn against Musharraf entirely, lest an even worse 
>> regime
>> succeed his. Meanwhile, the urban secular classes are pressing a weakened
>> Musharraf to step down and give way to a truly civilian regime.
>>
>> Musharraf's key support, indeed sole support, remains the army. But as
> long 
>> as
>> the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq continue, Islamist political strength
>> continues to grow. And Pakistan has many nuclear weapons. Should the 
>> Islamists
>> come to unrestrained power, this would pose a real geopolitical threat to 
>> the
>> United States, unlike the invented one of Saddam Hussein.
>>
>> by Immanuel Wallerstein
>>
>>
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