[R-P] (Ing) Una entrevista a Slobodan Milosevic (Parte 2 de 2)
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WHAT IS MY OFFENSE?
INTERVIEW WITH SLOBODAN MILOSEVIC.
Interviewers, Jared Israel and Nico Varkevisser
I have been attacked for everything. The U.S. envoy, Richard
Holbrooke, once told me, the Swiss government is going to freeze your
accounts. I said, "Why stop there? Here, wait a moment." I wrote a
few words and gave him the paper. "Here. I've signed all my foreign
bank account assets over to you. You may keep every penny."
He was taken aback. "I may?"
I said, "Yes! Unfortunately, there are no accounts."
Generally in banking you cannot have presidents of countries hiding
vast amounts of money. It's simply nonsense. The goal of all the news
reports about how they haven't yet found my money is to give people
the false impression that there's something to look for.
THE MEDIA AND BLAMING THE VICTIM
The other night I was watching TVBK, a private Serbian TV station.
Someone was criticizing the media, and right in the middle, the
station cut the power. Just like that. The screen went black. It
shows how worried this DOS regime [installed in a coup d'etat in
October 2000] is when faced with the least critical thought.
They accuse me of having been a dictator. That's ridiculous. Before
the DOS coup d'etat we had democracy. 95% of the media was privately
owned and the opposition controlled most of it. In Kosovo the
Albanians had more than 20 different media. In any neighborhood you
could buy a newspaper attacking the government.
We didn't have one political prisoner. But this new regime has issued
so-called 'amnesty' laws, freeing members of the KLA convicted for
murdering children and the like. They call this 'the new political
freedom.' I call it legalizing terror.
How did my supposed dictatorship manifest itself? Ibrahim Rugova, the
Albanian secessionist leader, could have a press conference in
Belgrade. He could walk around freely, have lunch, and criticize
everything. And he did. Nobody bothered him.
They've accused me of being behind a rash of killings that occurred
before the coup d'etat. The Defense Minister was killed. The Prime
Minister of the province of Vojvodina was killed. The Secretary
General of the Yugoslav Left. The Deputy Interior Minister of Serbia.
The Managing Director of Yugoslav Airlines, a friend of mine since
Gymnasium, he was killed. These were people I worked with, friends.
No opposition leader was killed. So, I was killing my friends and
sparing my enemies. A unique strategy.
When a crime occurs, shouldn't one ask: Cui bono? [Who gains?] Isn't
it obvious that these killings were carried out to benefit our
foreign opponents? That they were an attempt to intimidate men and
women in our government? But the Western-controlled media says I was
The opposition media demonized our government and me and my family in
every possible way. They accused my son of being a criminal.
The TV mixed these slanders with programs imported from America;
flashy images, seductive especially to young people. They are doing
this all over the world. It is a cultural attack.
Of course it had some effect. People in our country aren't used to
advertising techniques based on the repetition of false images. The
opposition learned these techniques from their US and other NATO
I've been using the term 'opposition', but in fact we had no
opposition. We had a Fifth Column. It was paid huge sums by the
people who bombed us. This was openly admitted.
And this Fifth Column, who now occupy government positions, has gone
so far as to agree to cooperate with the Hague Tribunal, a false
Tribunal created as another part of the genocide against the Serbs.
Once in awhile they arrest an Islamic Fundamentalist or a Croatian
fascist, to imply balance. But the goal is to destroy those who
uphold Yugoslavia, who defend Serbia, to leave ordinary people
vulnerable to attack and to make the world think resistance is
This past week the current authorities in Belgrade shipped their
first victim to The Hague. He is a Serb from Bosnia, active in
And we are seeing Hague-type justice in Belgrade as well. The present
authorities have arrested Dragoljub Milanovic the director of RTS
[the State TV station].
This is how it went. In January, Hague Prosecutor, Carla del Ponte,
came to Belgrade. She accused me and Dragoljub Milanovic of murder.
Why? Because on April 23, 1999 NATO bombed RTS, killing 16 people in
one of their cruelest bombing raids. And, she said, NATO had made it
clear they would bomb; so by her mad logic, we were responsible.
On April 8th French officials did threaten to bomb RTS. On the 9th we
surrounded the TV station with a human shield, journalists, managers,
officials, all together, arms linked. Serbian citizens were doing the
same on bridges and in factories, everywhere. Then Wesley Clark
seemed to withdraw the threat, but in any case what were we to do?
Not go to work? Employees occupied our biggest auto plant and wrote a
letter appealing to NATO not to bomb. NATO bombed anyway, killing and
wounding scores of people. Were the victims guilty? Mr. Milanovic was
working at RTS all month and could have been killed as well. Would
that have made him responsible for 17 deaths, instead of 16?
Of course, Carla del Ponte works for NATO, for the bombers. And the
new Belgrade authorities who have now actually arrested Dragoljub
Milanovic on this crazy charge, these people work for NATO too.
WAR CRIMES - WHO IS GUILTY?
There were war crimes in Kosovo. But by whom? By the terrorists, who
committed atrocities as a matter of course. By NATO which never hurt
our military. They bombed our homes. They dropped cluster bombs on
our green markets. Bombs encased in uranium.
These are war crimes. And they are guilty of the greatest crime of
all: they launched an illegal, aggressive war.
All their actions now, everything they do, is intended to hide the
criminal responsibility of Clinton, Albright, Blair, Schroeder,
Solana, all the others. The worst war criminals.
But they accuse me. They say I ordered the slaughter of Albanians in
Kosovo. And to prove it they sent forensic experts all over Kosovo,
looking for atrocities. This was a propaganda effort, not a
scientific investigation. It was theater - for the media. Every step
these experts took was reported: they are looking for the bodies;
they will soon unearth the bodies; they have found a shoe; and so on.
With all that, people had to assume: there must be some serious
The news that they were looking was big news but the news that they
had found nothing - that was very small news. It is my opinion that
many people in your countries still believe we committed genocide
against Albanians in Kosovo.
THE JUNE 1999 PEACE ACCORDS
At the end of May 1999 the Russians proposed to us the so-called
Yeltsin peace plan. It was good. Then it appears the Russians met
with the Americans in Finland, and when the Russian envoy, Victor
Chernomyrdin arrived in Belgrade the plan was entirely different.
Kosovo was said to remain a part of Yugoslavia but the plan also
called for full withdrawal of Yugoslav forces and for UN occupation.
We said, how do we know this will not turn into NATO occupation and
UCK [KLA] terror? Chernomyrdin swore to us that our Russian brothers
would not permit this.
What were we to do? On the one hand, the Russian administration
promised not to let NATO take over. On the other hand, there was a
clear threat. NATO had begun carpet bombing of Kosovo. If we did not
accept, the Russians made it clear they would withdraw their support
and we would be condemned in the international media as warmongers
who wouldn't even accept a peace plan from our Russian brothers. So
we agreed to sign. Our government leadership discussed it, and then
it was discussed in parliament, which voted to sign the agreement.
THE OCT. 5TH COUP IN BELGRADE
After the October 5th coup d'etat I resigned the presidency.
I didn't have to do that. We could have mounted a counter attack. But
our government discussed the situation. It was our opinion that the
foreign powers wanted to provoke a bloodbath. Their idea was, we
would strongly resist; their Fifth Column would stage violent
provocations; we would act to preserve order; and then their agents
would stage murderous incidents for the camera, blaming us to create
the impression of ruthless repression. Then under cover of defending
themselves they could carry out a Chilean solution, supported by
Also, many ordinary people were at that time deceived by the DOS
media, by the demonization of our government and by many false
promises, seemingly backed-up by images from Western TV, seductive
images of wealth.
It was our opinion that NATO wanted to provoke civil war, have a
blood bath and let the Serbs kill each other. Create a pretext for
We have direct experience with war. The losses cannot be replaced. So
if possible, it is better to make a struggle in the political sphere.
So I resigned. This took the Americans by surprise. I am told that
[US Secretary of State Madeleine] Albright called Steven Erlanger
from the NY Times on the sixth of October, very upset. "Is it
possible he resigned?" She couldn't believe it. It spoiled their
ON THE ECONOMY
* NICO VARKEVISSER ASKED *
Do you think current economic problems stem from the incompetence of
the new authorities, or have they been deliberately created?
* PRESIDENT MILOSEVIC ANSWERED *
Definitely deliberate. The economy has been ruined. Competent
managers have been driven out using violence or threats. They've been
replaced with people who are incompetent but do what the authorities
tell them. And what do they tell them? To paralyze the economy, to
bankrupt entire industries so they can be sold for peanuts to their
patrons in the West. This isn't like old-fashioned colonialism. The
foreigners put their proxies in power and simply strip the country,
destroy local productive capacity and then dump their junk.
Here's an example: Before the coup d'etat we were producing 400,000
to 500,000 tons of fertilizer per year. We were exporting fertilizer.
But I read in the newspaper that this year we already had to import
90,000 tons. And it is inferior quality.
In our Constitution [of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia] we put an
article stating that all kinds of property would have equal
protection. Our intention was that privatization would be linked to
the development of the economy, that it would be carried out insofar
as it aided the economy. Our goal was optimal development of all
forms of property. We were saying we would not ban any approach based
on ideological disapproval of some form of property.
You must understand what we had before. Consider the question of
land. In the past, under the old Yugoslavia, the Socialist Republic,
more than 90% of the land was private. We never had cooperatives.
We had had a 10-hectare limit on the size of a farm. But new
technologies meant that 10 hectares was too small. A single family,
if properly organized, could handle much more land. A child might be
able to operate irrigation technologies, where before they required
immense labor. We're not talking about latifundia here - why limit
property to 10 hectares and have farmers living in poverty? Our aim
was not to get into total privatization, just to have optional
Those tough sanctions that were imposed on us in 1993 completely
blocked the economy. For several months we had 350 million percent
inflation. We responded by developing a plan that cut inflation to
zero in 1994. The main element was the decision to finance the budget
with real wealth. Before that we always simply set a budget to
finance education, health, state administrative functions and so on.
Then we paid salaries this month by printing money, expecting that
we'd bring in the money next month. When inflation started there was
no way to cover costs based on income from taxes, so we took strong
measures: the printing of money was cut. We said, you will get
salaries as soon as the state gets money from taxes
But with all our problems, consider the difference between the
neighboring countries and us. We had one million refugees, war,
sanctions, a total blockade. Not only didn't Bulgaria and Rumania
have sanctions and war, but they were associate members of the
European union so they should have had some gains from that position.
Yet there were thousands of Bulgarians and Romanians coming here,
looking for work. Why? Because our neighbors were devastated by the
policies enforced by their Western friends.
In the first winter after the NATO bombing [i.e., the winter of 1999-
2000] we had no restrictions on heating. That was a fierce winter.
The next winter was mild, but the new so-called Democrats [Mr.
Milosevic is referring to the 'Democratic' Opposition of Serbia,
which seized power in a coup d'etat Oct. 5, 2000] with all their
promises that the West would do this and do that - what did they
achieve? Constant electrical shortages. And remember, we heat mostly
How can I help but be proud of what we achieved?
* JARED ISRAEL *
Speaking of that, I think you should be proud of your courage,
staying in Yugoslavia after the coup d'etat last October, despite the
threats against you.
* SLOBODAN MILOSEVIC *
Thank you. I imagine they hoped I would run away.
* Slobodan Milosevic's famous speech at Kosovo Field, 1989, official
government translation: http://emperors-
BBC translation: http://emperors-clothes.com/milo/versions.htm
* Prof. Francisco Gil-White's analysis of the avalanche of what can
only be described as lies about the 1989 Milsoevic speech at Kosovo
Field, "Media Misrepresentation of Milosevic's Words: A Review of the
* Streaming video, "Take Your Suitcases of Cash, Mr. Djindjic!" -
interviewed for Serbian TV http://emperors-
* Streaming video of Serbian rally March 24, 2001 including speech by
Article: "KLA Attacks Everyone; Media Attacks...Miloshevich?" by
Jared Israel at http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/expan.htm
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