[Marxism] The fight in the SWP, conclusion (What kind of party we need)
craig at red-bean.com
Mon Dec 29 23:24:11 MST 2008
Mark Lause wrote:
> Craig Brozefsky is as honest as he has been.
> His is simply clueless about the GPUS nominations and most of what
> he's talking about here about what I think or don't think. There's
> ample material on both in the Marxmail archives. Still, I hope that
> anyone who takes what Craig says on these things seriously actually
> does what he suggests.
Oh, how lame. I present some parts of the record and bring up facts
around the nomination process in those two years that blows up your
over-simplified analysis that some DemoGreen or "big fish in little
pond" stole the nomination by rigging the process -- and you call me
I'm not even trying to place the blame entirely on Nader and Camejo in
2004, who made a major mistake IMO in not seeking the nomination but
instead just an endorsement. It was his for the taking. Quite likely,
2008 was his for the taking too if he had not done the same thing. At
the same time, the GPUS's ability to support a presidential candidate in
a meaningful fashion is limited, so it's not like he was throwing away
a Golden Ticket.
I don't think the results would have been significantly different in
either race tho, because what is obvious is that there is in no way mass
support for a third-party presidential candidate when the
anybody-but-bush mentality is rolling. However, at the state and local
level, there is mass support for a third-party and that is where any
political party attempting to be a real actor in the electoral realm
needs to develop.
Recognition of this was one reason why Cobb got support, and why the
GPUS was not willing to have no nominee and simply endorse someone who
would not use the campaign to build the party at the lower levels. The
result of Cobb's campaign are apparent here in Illinois.
I understand that the presidential race is the "big show" but I think
it's really NOT where the work is to be done, at this stage. The
formation of a political unity around the GPUS platform at the national
level is IMO, a big achievement. I'm not convinced it will be the
entity that leads us to a glorious revolution, but I don't think any
one, existing entity is. That's one reason why I didn't get all
butt-hurt (to revive a childhood phrase) about the SP, or PSL or any of
the other candidates running for president. Heck, we had some shared
PSL/GP candidates for State Rep. offices here in Chicago.
Maybe I've been infected by Green thinking, but I tend to look at the
"left" as an ecosystem, where the different parties and tendencies play
their roles. It's not just survival of the fittest, or most correct
political line. Anyways, I need to think this out a bit more before I
can write it down effectively.
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