[Marxism] Do you agree or disagree with the following proposition ?

Charles Brown cbrown at michiganlegal.org
Thu Mar 30 14:30:15 MST 2006

Carrol Cox 

Charles, I really can't understand, _at all_, why you are posing these
questions that come from nowhere and lead nowhere, either
philosophically or politically. 
CB: I'll interpret this to mean that you disagree with the content, and your
objection to form is sort of a diversion
All connections between biology and
social relations are tautological and trivially so.

CB: No they are not. Wrong.


M&E's statement about class struggle was _not_ a theoretical proposition
but an empirical observation, which can only be justified by empirical
study of "hitherto existing society," not by attempting through playing
with the word "Necessity" to make marxism a religion with all its truths
derivable deductively from "first principles" as in Theology.

CB: That's not the way science proceeds, nor the way Marx and Engels
proceeded on their basic proposition.  They unite speculative theory is with
empirical observations. They didn't _first_ study a lot of written evidence
of the economic classes of Greece, Rome and the Middle Ages and then reach
an empirical generalization that was the basis for the first sentence of the
Manifesto. No they thought theoretically at first too, generated a
hypothesis , investigated facts, developed the hypothesis...The passage in
_The German Ideology_ was generated by speculation and evidence. Once they
were atheists, then "naturally" they looked for natural explanations of
human affairs. They looked for necessity in human events. They reasoned they
in biology is the root necessity in human society.

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