[Marxism] A dishonest method - re "solutions in 'Northern Ireland'"
philip.ferguson at canterbury.ac.nz
Sun Dec 10 14:53:11 MST 2006
Luko wrote in response to Danielle:
>While I am dead set against all those tax gifts to corporations and
rich people in Germany, in a Northern Irish parliament, I would vote
with both hands for for this motion like for any other measure which
breaks the six counties' union with London and establishes an all-Irish
And this is the level of corporate tax that any good Labourite - and
even many Tories - would vote for.
If SF even had radical Labourite politics it would be arguing *both
sides of the border* for corporate taxes much more significant than
Luko to Danielle:
>Do you think that Northern Ireland should keep the Union with
England, maybe out of a workerist illusion that the Union is better for
Since Danielle is involved with the Irish Republican Socialist Party
this is a nonsense question.
>> I prefer to see the national liberation struggle and the class
> liberation struggle as completely intertwined. One can't be
> accomplished without the other.
Luko in response:
>That's what the doctrine says.
And it has been confirmed over and over by practice. So it is not
merely some dogma.
>The experience of real struggles says, that you can't achieve neither
one if one makes the national question to a side issue of an alleged
class struggle orientation.
And you, who have never been involved in national liberation politics,
are telling an IRSP activist this? You're an eejit.
>Your rejection of an all-Irish common corporate tax rate, i.e. your
preference on Northern Irelands Union with Britain in tax matters is a
logical consequence of that -- instead of helping to organize the Irish
workers to a party by and for themselves, you insist on subjecting them
to British tax laws and rules, i.e. to His Majety's Chancellor of
This is a good example of a thoroughly dishonest and bankrupt method.
If you disagree with New Sinn Fein's minimum corporate tax proposal then
you must be a supporter of imperialism!
Gee, Luko, where did you learn this method?
And you direct this accusation against Danielle, a member of an
organisation whose members in Ireland have been murdered, jailed,
tortured, died on hunger strike in the struggle against imperialism.
You're a disgrace.
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