[Marxism] re: Some comments on Stan Goff's post

rrubinelli rrubinelli at earthlink.net
Mon Dec 5 21:05:16 MST 2005

Hmmh, declining arc?  Panthers?  DRUM-LRBW?  San Francisco State?  Post
Office Strike?  Jefferson Avenue?

The decline was most definitely not a result of appeasement through the
Voting Rights Act, which is what you stated earlier.  There was
organized assaults on leadership;  specific assaults on black militant
organizations; and the  overall general assault on the workers in urban,
industrial areas.   That's what turned the movement back.  Not the
granting of "bourgeois democratic rights."

Losing it all kept "heads down" in the 80s and 90s?  What are you
talking about?  1979-1993 saw real, serious declines in real wages,
living standards of black Americans, marching in downward lockstep with
financial arson of the OPEC/leveraged buy out crowd.    This was
systematic class warfare, the bourgeoisie on the offensive.  Something
that didn't really let up in 1993, despite the increased capital
investment, productivity, and wages.

That ain't no horse you're beating.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Flanders" <jonflanders at jflan.net>
To: "Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition"
<marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Marxism] re: Some comments on Stan Goff's post

> On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 22:30 -0500, rrubinelli wrote:
> > That's just not so.  Voting Rights Act was passed in 1965.  Struggle
> > increased, became more militant throughout the 60s, and recedes
> > the physical attacks of the government, and the defeat of workers
> > strikes and actions in the early 1970s.
> >
> Well we could just beat this one to death if we wanted to. Yes, their
> was ongoing resistance on a number of fronts after the voting issue
> dealt with. There were the Black Panthers, for example.
> What I am talking about was the mass participation of the masses of
> African-Americans, which broadly speaking was in a declining arc after
> 1965.
> The better off upper sectors were appeased by voting rights.
> action opened doors to students and workers in many areas.
> Then with the end of the Vietnam War, we entered the current period of
> imperial decline which up to now has dampened a lot of things, most of
> all in the working class where fears of "losing it all" kept most
> down during the eighties and nineties.
> We may be getting closer to "nothing left to lose." I'm looking at the
> auto workers for possibilities myself. We shall see.
> Jon Flanders
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